Australian-associated Companies and their associated Labels

I made this List http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/lists/Favorite-Companies/104662 (the link's also put up on my -profile: http://discogs.descargarpelis.net//1skinnylad) to collate stuff to do with LCCN's updating - 'Labels, Company, Catalogue Numbers' - (was introduced 2011).
Any suggestions / guidance /additionals appreciated.
Here -> 21-January-2015 < is the most recent date I 'edit-updated' what's here.
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Festival Records Pty. Ltd.
1b. Festival Records (NZ) Ltd.
1c. Festival Manufacturing Pty. Ltd.
1d. Festival (17)
1e. Festival Music Pty. Ltd. - other version of publisher company
1f. Festival Records Retail Marketing
1g. Festival Records Retail Marketing functions for when it applies across both territories it seems.
1h. Festival Records Retail Marketing Ltd. - a specifically New Zealand company
1i. Festival Records International Ltd. - UK-based Festival Records company
1j. Mushroom
1k. Festival Mushroom Group (abbreviated version of the ^^)
1l. Festival Mushroom Group Pty Ltd.
1m. Mushroom Records Pty. Ltd.
2b. Mushroom Records International BV
2c(i). Mushroom Music - publisher, tends to be associated with older (1970s/80s) Mushroom releases.
2c(ii). Mushroom Music publishing imprint.
2c(iii). Mushroom Music Publishing - publisher, tends to be associated with younger releases (1990s onwards?)
2d. Mushroom Art
2e. White Label Records
2f. White Label Records Pty. Ltd.
2g. White (6)
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3a. Albert Productions
3b. J. Albert & Son Pty. Ltd.
3c. J. Albert & Son (UK) Ltd.
3d. J. Albert & Son (USA) Inc.
3e. Albert - publisher
3f. EMI Records Australia
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4a EMI (Australia) Limited
4b. EMI Music Group Australasia
4c. EMI Music Australia Pty. Limited
4d. EMI Music Publishing Australia Pty. Limited
4e. EMI Virgin Music Publishing Australia Pty Limited
4f. EMI Music Publishing Ltd. - UK publisher's office (explored in http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/help/forums/topic/332083
4g. EMI Music Publishing - same UK publisher (?)
4h. EMI Music Publishing Ltd. (? but which?)
4i. EMI Virgin Music Ltd.
4j. EMI Virgin Music Publishing Australia Pty Limited
4k. EMI Manufacturing Pty. Ltd.
4l. EMI Retail Promotions
4m. EMI Music (NZ) Ltd.
4n. EMI Music Australia - "This label should only be used for (p) (c) copyright credits. Do not use it in place of EMI Music Australia Pty. Limited or for Australian releases on the EMI label." Maybe this Profile needs re-working? It sounds a bit confusing, almost as if suggesting not to use in conjunction with EMI the label. (?)
4o. E.M.I. (Australia) Pty. Limited
4p. Studios 301, Cologne.
4q. EMI Records Ltd. - The UK company
4r. WEA Records Pty Ltd.
5b. WEA International Inc.
5c. WEA Records Limited - NZ company pre-1990
5d. Warner Music New Zealand Limited - post 1990
5e. WEA Record & Tape Distributors Pty. Limited
5f. WEA Records Pty Ltd.;
5g.(i) Warner Bros.
5g.(ii) PolyGram Records Pty. Limited
6b. PolyGram Pty. Limited - seems to be relevant for just 1999
6c. PolyGram TV Merchandising Division
Labels known to be associated to the PolyGram Records Pty. Limited Australian company:
6c.(i) PolyGram
6c.(ii) Mercury
6c.(iii) Polydor
6c.(iv) Phonogram
6c.(v) rooArt - distinctly Australian label
6c (vi). Island Records
6c.(vii) London Records
6c.(viii) 4th & Broadway
6c.(ix) Vertigo
6c.(x) PolyGram TV Merchandising Division:
6d.(i) Polystar (3)
6d.(ii) E'G Records
6d.(iii) Jean-Michel Jarre's Australian releases
6d.(iv) CBS
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7a. CBS Records Australia Limited
7b. CBS Productions Pty. Limited
7c. CBS Records Australia Limited Australian company
7d. (i) CBS
7d. (ii) Epic
7d. (iii) Def Jam Recordings
7d. (iv) RCA Limited Australia and New Zealand:
8c.(i) RCA Victor label. If found with just RCA, perhaps enquire if the label has been correctly entered (?).)
8c.(ii) RCA - often
8d.(i) Starcall Records - sublabel of company
8d.(ii) Living Sound Records - Australian subsidiary of RCA
8e.(i) Motown
8e.(ii) Tamla
8e.(iii) Beggars Banquet
8e.(iv) The Saints (2) - Angels
8e.(v) Haysi Fantayzee - Shiny Shiny (Dance Version)
8e.(vi) Pointer Sisters - Neutron Dance
8e.(vii) Phyllis Nelson's Australian releases
8e.(viii) Grunt Records
8e.(ix) Arista
8e.(x) Ariola
8e.(xi) Mary Jane Girls - In My House
8e.(xii) Various - Lethal Weapons could also use RCA Limited Australia and New Zealand.
8e.(viii) Deluxe Records (4)
8e.(ix) Wheatley Records
8e.(x) Alice Cooper (2) - Welcome To My Nightmare
8e.(xi) Mainman
8e.(xii) Carol Douglas - The Carol Douglas Album
8e.(xiii) Big Time
8e.(xiv) Powderworks
8e.(xv) Yuki Takahashi* - Murdered By The Music (usually Regular Records (2) releases were handled by Festival Records Pty. Ltd. most times)
8e.(xvi) Various - Superstar Superhits?
8e.(xvii) Freestyle Records And Tapes
8e.(xviii) Australian Crawl - Trouble Spot Rock
8e.(xix) Edwin Starr - / Don't Waste Your Time
8e.(xx) The Costello Show Featuring The Attractions And Confederates* - King Of America
8e.(xxi) Various - Songs Of The Sullivans' Years
8e.(xxii) Depeche Mode - The Singles 81 - 85
8e.(xxiii) Norma* - It's Gonna Happen
8e.(xxiv) Telex - Neurovision
8e.(xxv) Skyy - Call Me / When You Touch Me
8e.(xxvi) Sylvester - Band Of Gold
8e.(xxvii) Disco Circus - Disco Circus
8e.(xxviii) This Mortal Coil - Sixteen Days - Gathering Dust
8f.(i) F A B - Happy People
8f.(ii) Phonogram Records Pty. Limited
9b. Phonogram Recordings Pty. Limited)
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10a. Universal Music Australia - Label branding only
10b. BMG
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11a. BMG Arista / Ariola Limited
11b. BMG Australia Limited
11c. Warner Bros. Records
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12a. Warner Music Australia Pty. Limited
12c. Warner Bros. Music Pty. Ltd. - publisher
12d. Warner Bros. Music Australia Pty. Limited - possibly same entity as above
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Sony
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13a. Sony BMG Music Entertainment (Australia) Pty Limited
13b. Sony Music Entertainment Australia Pty Ltd.
13c. Sony Music Australia Limited
13d. Sony Music Entertainment (Australia) Limited
13e. Sony Music Productions Pty. Ltd.
13f. Sony Music Entertainment (NZ) Ltd.
13g. Wheatley Records
14. Wheatley Music Pty. Ltd. - the publishing entity
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15. Zomba Records Australia Pty Ltd.
16b. Zomba Records Australia Pty Ltd.], or maybe a UK version of the company?)
16c. Zomba Music Publishing Ltd. - the publisher (UK company?)
16d. Zomba Music - currently warned to use Zomba Music Publishing Ltd., but this may change as it's under discussion in forums
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17. Disctronics - the broad, seemingly "catch-all" generic usage of a credited Disctronics release for any Disctronics-associated sub.
18g. Disctronics, UK
18h. Disctronics S
18i. Disctronics (Europe) Ltd.
18j. Disctronics USA
18k. Disctronics A
18l. Disctronics H
18m. Disctronics Australia - This one is currently under discussion as to its validity (see below thread for discussion about it)
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19. Astor
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20a. Manufacturers Of Astor Radios, Radiograms and Televisions
20b. Radio Corporation Pty. Ltd.
20c. Astor Division Of Electronic Industries Ltd.
20d. Regular Records (2)
21b. Regular Music - publisher associated to the company
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22. Central Station
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Was an independent company, closed in 2008, revived in March 2009: a division of Central Station Pty Ltd - relevant to pre-2009 releases I gather
23b. Parent Label now = the Company Universal Music Australia Pty Ltd
Sub-labels associated to Central Station, the label:
23c.(i) - Au Go Go
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24a. Shock (2) - label only for pre-2010/2011 releases
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25a. Shock Records Pty. Ltd.
25b. Shock Music Publishing Pty. Ltd.
25c. Shock Entertainment - label for post-late-2010 releases
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26. Sparmac Productions
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27. Powderworks - much handled by RCA Limited Australia And New Zealand
27a. 7 Records Pty. Limited
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28 MCA Australia Limited
28a. Grudge Records Australia - MCA Records Australian company associates to this label
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29a. Big Time - Label
29b. Big Time Records - company to use for Big Time-related credit roles
29c. Big Time Phonograph Recording Co. - A totally different Label from Big Time (the Label)
29d. Wizard Records (5)
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30. Inertia
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30a. Inertia Distribution Pty. Ltd.
30b. Inertia Pty. Ltd.
30c. Inertia Recordings - This appears to be the internationally-used 'label'.
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31. Roadshow Music
31a. Roadshow Entertainment Pty Ltd
31b. Roadshow Video Publishing
31c. Roadshow Entertainment (NZ) Ltd
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32. We Play! Records
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32. Publishers
33a. Aberbach (Aust.) Pty. Limited
33b. Acuff-Rose Publications Pty. Ltd.
33c. d
33d.(i) Allan's
33d.(ii) Allans Music Aust. Pty Ltd
33e.(i) Albert - owned by J. Albert & Son Pty. Ltd.
33e.(ii) J. Albert & Son Pty. Ltd.
33f. April Music Pty. Ltd.
33g. Associated
33h. ATV Northern Songs Pty. Ltd.
33i.(i) Belinda Music (Aust) Pty. Ltd.
33i (ii) Belinda Music Pty. Ltd. - this is currently deleted as a dupe of the ^
33j. Boosey & Hawkes Australia Pty. Ltd.
33k. C.A.M. (Aust.)
33l. Campbell Connelly (Australia) P/L
33m. Castle Music Pty. Ltd. - mentioned above already
33n. CBS Songs (Aust) Pty. Ltd.
33o. (i) Chappell & Co. Ltd. (Sydney) as best option.
33p. E. H. Morris & Co. Ltd.
33q. D. Davis & Co. Pty Ltd
33r. EMI Catalogue Partnership
33s. EMI Music Publishing Australia Pty. Limited
33t. Essex Music Of Australia Pty. Ltd.
33u. Intersong Music Group (Aust) Ltd.
33v. Ivan Mogull Music Aust. Pty. Ltd. - Australian publishing entity, predominantly for ABBA releases
33w. Jewel Music (Australia) Pty. Limited
33x (i). Jonathan Music (Australia) Pty. Limited (the proper company)
33x (ii). Jonathon (the company's shorthand imprint) - Currently Deleted, all using 32x(1)
33y. Matthews Music Pty. Ltd.
33z (i) MCA Music Australia or it might be the next one below
33z (ii) MCA Music Australia Limited
33aa. Chappell Music ^^
33ab. Penjane Music (Australia) Pty. Limited
33ac. Pincus Gil
33ad. Sherbet's publisher
33ae. Rondor Music Pty. Ltd.
33af. Southern Music
33ag. Midnight Oil releases (used also as a label due to their logo evident on releases)
33ah (i). Mental As Anything
33ah (ii) Syray Pty. Ltd.
33ai. Tumbleweed)
33aj. Universal/MCA Music Publishing Pty Limited
33ak. Wallaby Music Pty. Limited
33al. Warner Bros. Music Pty. Ltd.
33am. Warner Bros. Music Pty. Ltd. (?)
33an. Warner/Chappell Music Australia Pty. Ltd.
33ao. Wheatley Music Pty. Ltd.
33ap. (i) Woomera Music Pty. Limited
33ap. (ii) Woomera
33ap. (iii) Woomera Music
33aq. World Artists Incorporated Pty Ltd
33ar. Yothu Yindi
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Couple more you can add:

Zomba Records Australia Pty Ltd. (possible dupe of Zomba Records Australia Ltd)

Looking good though! Pretty cool idea to have one list with all the major Aussie companies on it. :)

[EDIT update] - I moved this forum box, incorporated into the first topic's box for easier access ↑↑

this is great...nice work.

How about adding Central Station with its sublables

thanks! Done!

Just a note on:

1skinnylad
Universal Music Australia, who's owner/Parent Label (?) now is the Company Universal Music Australia Pty Ltd

Universal Music Australia is a label brand only. Even on releases that state "Marketed in Australasia by Universal Music Australia" or whatever, it's actually a direct reference to the company, Universal Music Australia Pty Ltd. Perhaps if we ever get a LNV/CNV function we'll be able to clean up those two pages and move the company tags all over to Universal Music Australia Pty Ltd. :)

yeah, I know, but the current profile page is all I'm basically abbreviating the key bits of, over to this. If I ever notice it changing, I'll adapt it easy enough. I personally think all 'Universal Music Australia' credited in a company role context for Aussie releases, should just all go to the actual company rather than using the Label as a company credit role.

perhaps the Parent "Label" of Central Station (post-March 2009) should perhaps actually be the company? But then, how does one list the former "Label" or "Company" ownber of the Label Central Station? Can it be crossed out like band who've left the band?

1skinnylad
Can it be crossed out like band who've left the band?

Nope, not possible. It would be great if we could do that actually, or somehow be able to form past label/company trees for reference or something like that.

And yeah, I'd be happy to see Central Station moved over to the company page.

ok, well I changed the Parent Label over the Universal company now for Central Station. This is right, isn't it?

Yep, looks good. Maybe this info could now be changed a bit too:

Was an independent company, closed in 2008, revived in March 2009: a division of Universal Music Australia.
25a. The actual Central Station Company is: Central Station Pty Ltd - relevant to pre-2009 releases I gather
25b. Parent Label now = Universal Music Australia, who's owner/Parent Label (?) now is the Company Universal Music Australia Pty Ltd

a little basic an edit perhaps, but I think it now basically gives the synopsis of companies changing ownerships?

tried to update at least the Publishers at the bottom of the list into a vague alphabetical order now.

Inertia is another with associated companies and sub labels

couldn't see EMI Records Australia on your EMI list

Hey, thanks maldoror!!
I now added both of what you've helped suggest ^^

Anyone spot more significant Aussie companies that should go on list?
(asked as of June 2103 - keeps thread alive I think- not sure how much more can fit in edits onto the text box, though). I'm on uni-b/n-semesters' break, so may have a little time to fiddle around with it for a month or so

Slightly obscure, but very influential at the time (now defunct) Australian label:

http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/label/Psy-Harmonics

thanks Cowbellistan. But I have run into a limitation on how much I can keep inserting into the text box that contains the list here. I can't seem to add anymore in now without random, giant slabs being deleted :(
I think if there ever develops way more, I or someone else would have to start another list! (although I do wonder if I could just keep overwriting my 2nd text box and continue on from there?? It was edited out by me already anyways.)

Hey Skinny I have a question on a Festival Topic. Probably been talked about endlessly but here we go (again) I have had a couple of early releases lately which state "Manufactured by Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand" originally this did not exist so I had been trying to split these into two manufacturing credits using

Festival Records Pty. Ltd. for the Oz side &
Festival Records (NZ) Ltd. for the NZ side of the equation

I did not want to proliferate the identities.

Well it now exists as

Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand

as well as

Festival Records Pty. Ltd Australia & Festival Records (NZ) Ltd.

Both of which appear on various releases.

I am adding a new release which uses Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand as a manufacturing credit should we be using this credit? If so I will have to go back and clean up some of my previous releases.

I cannot this discussion topic but hopefully you can :)

Cheers
Steve

this might be it: http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/forum/thread/521505ac94697336111aeee6#521505ac94697336111aeeca

Thanks maldoror I will have a read.

G'day Steve (Bluroo ^^), and thanks Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand") by re-doing the LCCNs to use same LCCN tags (eg. use the "Manufactured By" tag twice for each version of the companies), ie going to the both separate companies.

That it exists again once more now I've relented from being so diligent in patrolling this sort of thing (here it is again, Festival Records (NZ) Ltd., then perhaps we would be entitled to go ahead and edit releases to have all three for various LCCN credits (eg. Manufactured By used to three different companies???!)

I've gone ahead and moved one release, left the sub that re-created it with redirectional comment to point to this issue for discussion, and re-did the do not use profile now on Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand (now we have that useful "do not use" feature)

I notice now that there's been the unnecessarily created Festival Records Pty. Ltd. is already sufficient referring to the same thing. There are now lots of subs been added to it, though (not just by the creator of this variant form of the Festival company, but now used by many other s too).

These are examples of how incorrectly Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia is being used:
-- Blackfeather - At The Mountains Of Madness (dates put in as cat#s too)
-- Patti Smith Group - Wave (again, dates put in cat# field incorrectly too)

This one, Festival Records Pty. Ltd.

Incidentally, it also raises the issue about Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand isn't it? Where the issue was resolved with a re-directional profile and a shift of a sub or two (yet to be completed).

Part of me kind of accepts the idea that perhaps we can have, for Discog's purposes only (NB: not as an actual legitimation of a company as it was never formally as so), the Festival Records Pty. Ltd Australia & Festival Records (NZ) Ltd.
??
Or should it similarly also just simply go the way of Festival Records Pty. Ltd Australia & Festival Records (NZ) Ltd., which currently features the profile (that I did):
"DO NOT USE. Please use the separate companies Festival Records (NZ) Ltd. for whatever credit role they are attributed with (when releases use the abbreviated form of referencing both companies at once by saying "Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia and New Zealand")."
??

This one, Festival Records Pty. Ltd Australia & Festival Records (NZ) Ltd. (when perhaps we should be splitting - which is the key issue here I think).
eg.
-- The Saints (2) - Prodigal Son (which also leads to the proposition that perhaps it should be country of release as "Australia & New Zealand" if the companies end up actually split up. But this release perhaps does provides some sort of justification of keeping this 'merged" company format for use in the LCCNs after all ??)
What do you think?

As for Festival Records Pty. Ltd, to which "Festival Records Pty. Ltd. Australia" as a credit attribution clearly refers.

Is it worth opening up a proper forum topic about it to move the lot? To delete the usage of this variant form of the long existing two companies (identified long ago as separate companies in the Festival Records stable):
* Festival Records Pty. Ltd.
* Festival Records (NZ) Ltd.
Thoughts? (think, given all the existing links in here, I'll just copy paste this out into a forum topic!!)

Another question about an entity that should be common but does not exist on Discogs so there must be a story behind this one as well. I am trying to add a Chocolate Starfish 2 CD version of their self titled album and I have run across this

℗ 1994 EMI Records Australasia
© 1994 EMI Records Australasia

the closest entity available is EMI Records Australia. I am reluctant to create a new EMI identity until I have determined the history of this story. I have not submitted this release yet as I am still working on it.

For now I will use the Australian entity and put the correction (as on release) in the release notes until I hear a story.??

Cheers

This release has different info than quoted above

Rear Inlay:
℗ 1994 EMI Records Australasia
© 1994 EMI Records Australasia

Disc 1 & Disc 2:
℗ 1994 EMI Records Australia
© 1994 EMI Records Australia

So I am going to ignore the Australasia and use Australia with a note about the conflicting info in the Release Notes.

I recon that will work.

Cheers

^^ agreed :)

Hey Bluroo, how are you?
I've been thinking about this previous issue discussed ^^ and I've been thinking that perhaps there really should be created a new EMI Records Australasia (label-creation as company) because just maybe by the mid-90s, EMI's EMI Records Australia got a proper name-change extension into reflecting/encoming NZ and wherever else Australasia refers to when its used in relation to record companies?
Might well be worth creating on your Chocolate Starfish sub?
I'd take a punt the old EMI Records Australia probably had its associated releases turn up also for distribution in NZ, but can't know for sure. but maybe they did actually change the name in relation to some sort of trans-Tasman business expansion changes or something (?? Maybe company cross-country consolidations /downsizing/workforce sackings/reductions/business rationalizations or some such thing?), hence it printed as to so on your 1994 release?

Hi Skinny, Things are good in Adelaide. Been busy using the great Autumn weather outdoors. :) I have been thinking and this is the only EMI Records Australasia that I own and it also has the confusing EMI Records Australia as well?! So I was thinking that I would wait to see if another one of these pops up and then I will create this new entity unless someone finds one first. It could just be a Typo on this particular release

I have 1150 CD's and this is the only one? Searched my Music Collectorz.

As an aside I saw a "Made by Disctronics" release the other day and it was Made by PMI on the matrix. A bit of lazy production, same factory. I did not buy this release.

Cheers
Steve

G'day Steve,
I guess you're right then, especially if there's just that one with both on it.
Re: Disctronics, I think from hazy memory I too have seen something that confused me about the Disctronics / PMI thing too but can't recall it for sure. It could well be Glass mastered at Disctronics and duplication handled by PMI or some such combo of production effort in the stages of manufacture. Or even that maybe they u8sed "pre-printed" old stuff after a company-change or something?

Hi All, It has been drawn to my attention by Craig (aka craigandkim) that the newish entity Disctronics Australia is becoming a Dogs Breakfast already and there are only a few release (relatively) This entity seemed an elegant way of entering some early Disctronics (Australia, Limited) releases without having them swallowed by the parent company (Disctronics, UK). Craig has submitted a few releases that actually state Disctronics Australia on the Matrix. I do not own any of these but they are out there. I myself have used this entity when the Matrix is just junk like CD23895 or similar and the Cd label States Made in Australia by Disctronics. But others are using this even when it states Disctronics B on the Matrix and many use this entity with no reason why and limited or no scans. It seems to me this is one of those generic entities that the lazy find on their first search and they use it straight away.

Disctronics Australia, Limited & Disctronics Limited are valid holding company names as searches on Google easily prove. The fact that Disctronics themselves shortened the name on some of the earlier releases to Disctronics Australia does not help at all.

So the big Questions start here:-

What do we do with the entities Disctronics Australia, Disctronics Limited and Disctronics B?

More to the point do we keep Disctronics Australia and what do we do about guide lines for the entities that we keep?

How strict can the guide lines be?

Point (1)
Disctronics Limited has a statement:-
Releases that include DISCTRONICS B in the CD-matrix should be listed as Disctronics B, otherwise should be listed as Disctronics!!

I think what is missing here is an initial statement that Disctronics Limited is a Company name and should only be used where it is stated on the release e.g. "Made In Australia by Disctronics Limited" which should be a credit Produced For Disctronics Limited. Note this does not preclude the credit Made By Disctronics B on the same release is so stated on the Matrix. If there is no specific other Made By statement on the release then Made By Disctronics Limited is acceptable.

This would create an entity profile like this:-

"Disctronics Limited

Disctronics Limited is a Company name and should only be used where it is stated on the release e.g. "Made In Australia by Disctronics Limited" which should be a credit Produced For Disctronics Limited. Note this does not preclude the credit Made By Disctronics B on the same release if it is so stated in the Matrix. If there is no specific other Made By statement on the release then Made By Disctronics Limited is also acceptable.

Releases that include DISCTRONICS B in the CD-matrix should be listed as Disctronics B, otherwise should be listed as Disctronics!!"

Is this to difficult for Discoggers to understand and use? The second paragraph may need some finessing as it seems very cut and dry as you can have a Made By Disctronics Credit when its all too vague but also Produced for Disctronics Limited when the label is not.

Point (2)
Disctronics B is well noted in its profile and should be very self explanatory to most. i.e. only use if its there in the Matrix.

Point (3)

Disctronics Australia.

Do we get rid of this one or do we keep it and create some strict profile guide line??
If we do keep this entity then we need to specify how to use this entity on the Disctronics Limited profile as well or else many Australian releases will be lost to the Disctronics parent.

Thoughts please.

Disctronics Australia.

Do we get rid of this one or do we keep it and create some strict profile guide line??

I'd think since it has come into such play, perhaps, as you've suggested in Point (3), perhaps it might be simpler to just keep it and then just fiddle around with how to separate the complications of when to use it & when to ditch it in preference for the more exacting Disctronics Limited one (not the UK thing either, but probably should be made into Disctronics Limited (2) ( since long ago it seemed accepted, due to volume of releases, I think, that Disctronics Limited alone became the UK one).

But I've kind of given up on the complexity of Disctronics these days as have wound down a lot of editing I'm afraid - been more collecting more junk which I'll get back to entering into the DB one of these days. Gotta bit of a back-log now!

Disctronics Limited doesn't have a profile that makes much sense, so I guess that's why lots of anything can easily just end up there. But maybe this is deliberate so it remains a widely used "bunch" of releases that state such a thing - even though obviously, Australian ones would be made somewhere in the Australian factories if the made by thing is to go by??

Overall, I'm happy with what you propose about qualifying "Disctronics Limited" and perhaps let Disctronics Australian run till others can qualify it better. It might be the same thing being referred to as Disctronics B but I guess we can't know for sure given lack of clear info Disctronics seem to have about themselves in various company manifestations and plants.

NB: there's a lot of confusing info in this old thread: http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/help/forums/topic/357616

Skinny,
firstly, wow...how much effort and time have you devoted to this thread? Absolutely great effort.
Secondly, my main reason for persisting with this....I want to keep the AUS Disctronics releases as separate as far as possible from the other Disctronics Co. entries.
So in the Disctronics Australia profile maybe we could have a selection of rules like the other company entries? My biggest bug bear is using "Disctronics Australia" when there is nothing written on the CD corresponding to that - verbatim.
We have Made in Australia by Disctronics Limited, Made in Australia by Disctronics, etc but I have yet to see a CD label with Made by "Disctronics Australia". Have you seen any?

I have however two CD's in my possession which I have posted containing "Disctronics Australia" in the matrix. How many other subs in "Disctronics Australia" contain images validating this entity?

Thoughts?
Cheers

Just added another Disctronics Australia- Richard Clapton - The Great Escape, so it would seem there are a few discs out there now which would lend weight to having a "Disctronics Australia"- but only if written verbatim in the matrix.

Hi craigandkim.
Thank you for your ^^ posts. I'm not really an expert on Disctronics but used to have an interest in following through what to do with it. Glad to see the entity Disctronics Australia now operates (if that's ok with others as it seems to be the case these days - & only if written out in full like that in the matrix of CDs). I don't know but would suspect that perhaps this was some sort of late 80s or early nineties thing perhaps they did in the matrices of some few CDs. I'm not particularly active these days unfortunately though. I can't add anymore to the things in my list, presented above at start of this thread, because the textbox won't accommodate anymore so I tend to leave it alone these days as it stands last updated back in June 2014 (this yr). The same thing is replicated for quicker webpage loads over here, also -> http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/lists/Favorite-Companies/104662

Another label

http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/label/115186-We-Play!-Records

thank you force88, I added it into both versions of this list now (but really, this list is to associate the companies that associate directly to their labels, as they get created within Discogs, eg. Festival Records Pty. Ltd., the "associated" company version, as well as more & numerous other "associated" Festival company versions.

That's the purpose of what I made this list for, really.

But I've put it in, so thank you very much for your bringing it to attention, and if there ever becomes an associated company to your label, (within Discogs as an LCCN credit/weblinking thingy, eg. "We Play! Records Pty. Ltd."), do please let me know to then associate the two here within this list, like there is with other Labels/Campanies.
Cheers & thanks though, mate :)

thanks. sorry for jumping the gun!

Hello Guys,
You may have noticed I have run with updating our Australian Disctronics sites...
I have done extensive research and found much of the same info as put forward in many of the older forums- however I have also found some new info contained in a final report from a Royal Commission into Tricontinental group of companies which substantially financed Quattro group (Disctronics, Pro-Image & Quattro) and other interesting sites and snippets.

We know Disctronics Ltd purchased 3x USA plants (2 from Quixote- Disctec in Southwater UK in 1987.

There was actually a Disctronics Australia Ltd- a holding company involved in the purchase of the 2 Laservideo plants

I do not have the smoking gun (yet)- however I strongly believe that Disctronics Limited refinancing their debt.

More to follow...

Cool, good work tracing all that out! :)

OK, as mentioned by Bluroo sometime ago "Disctronics Australia Limited" was an actual holding company in the Disctronics group. "Disctronics Australia Limited" appears to be a private company as it was never listed on the ASX and seems to actually pre-date Disctronics Limited.
From the Royal Commission report:
"Between January 1986 and March 1989 Tricontinental provided facilities to three companies in the Quatro Group, namely Quatro Limited ('Quatro'), Disctronics Australia Limited ('Disctronics') and Pro-image Limited ('Pro-image'). Quatro and Pro-image were public companies listed on the Australian Stock Exchange ('ASX'). Disctronics was not listed on the ASX although in mid-1988 Disctronics Limited (formerly known as BGL International Limited) ('Disctronics Ltd) was listed on the ASX."

The major shareholders of Quatro were private companies controlled by its directors, including Mr John Kavanagh and Mr Kevin Donovan. In June 1986, Quatro held approximately 40% of the shares in Pro-image and Disctronics and, in August 1986, 43.5% of the shares in Whitehall."

"Disctronics was essentially a t venture, formed in January 1986, between Quatro and Pro-image to build and operate a compact disc manufacturing plant in Australia. Pro-image was a video and broadcasting company which held the remaining 60% of the shares in Disctronics."

Here when mentioning "Disctronics" the report is referring to "Disctronics Australia Limited" which obviously pre-dates Disctronics Limited and this is why I believe they were the first pressings.
Another fact is not one of the Disctronics Australia disc's contains the statement "Made in Australia by Disctronics Limited".
PS: I'm thinking that the company name of Disctronics Limited came into being possibly sometime in mid to late 87 as the trademark was ed by Disctronics Limited on the 28/10/1987.

Good work Craig. Homing in on the trail of company names. My reading agrees that Disctronics Limited in its final iteration tried to expand too quickly and cash flow just did not keep up. Always a recipe for a fall from grace.

Why is it that Disctronics profile does not have any history about its origins? Other than the fact it was founded in 1987.

There is a comment in the editing history "This IS A UK COMPANY. All the rest pages are the _arms_ of this company. There is no UK arm, since it's the HQ." which suggests that this entity is UK based.

The company may be Disctronics Manufacturing UK Ltd but the plant was purchased from Disctronics profile is Disctronics Australia Limited?

Is it time to launch the final forum concerning the origins of Disctronics CD manufacturing?
Regards

Guys- I have found the date of registration for Disctronics Limited. I received the information directly from ASIC. The details are a little surprising concerning Disctronics Australia Limited however.

Previous Organisation Details from 13/05/1986 to 30/08/1988
Name: DISCTRONICS LIMITED
Name start: 13/05/1986
Status: ed
Company type: Australian Public Company
Class: Limited By Shares
Subclass: Unknown

Previous Organisation Details from 31/08/1988 to 20/02/1991
Name: DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA LIMITED
Name start: 31/08/1988
Status: ed
Company type: Australian Public Company
Class: Limited By Shares
Subclass: Unknown

Re-reading the ASCI document I thought I may as well post the following- DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA LIMITED name was not changed until 2003 when it changed to DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD. The last entry for DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA LIMITED is below as well as some other important dates:

01/10/1996 to 24/12/2003 (End date)
Name: DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA LIMITED
Name start: 31/08/1988
Status: ed
Company type: Australian Public Company
Class: Limited By Shares
Subclass: Unlisted Public Company

26/09/1996 to 30/09/1996 (NB-Strike-Off Action In Progress)
Name: DISCTRONICS AUSTRALIA LIMITED
Name start: 31/08/1988
Status: Strike-Off Action In Progress
Company type: Australian Public Company
Class: Limited By Shares
Subclass: Unlisted Public Company

Well Craig I am glad to see the differentiation between these two entities this data needs to be added to the company profiles and used by one and all appropriately. Starts to make sense of the Matrix data we have been seeing.

New thread for Disctronics Limited- http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/forum/thread/413800#3832073

Nice list skinny! My local haunt Tym Records (2) keeps going from strength to strength and doesn't look like running out of steam any time soon (primarily due to the tireless Tim and the connections he made while guitar teching for some of the biggest name in alt music).
He mainly does vinyl runs of 200 (or maybe 400 split across a couple of colours), so might be smaller than most of the independents on the list, but he's started handling album releases for bands like Hydromedusa, so those runs are now selling out in hours and being repressed (with the represses again lasting less than a day). So small operation on a fairly steep trajectory.

Another good indie is Poison City Records

Guys, I have started editing some of the smaller Disctronics subsidiaries and related entities. I hope the majority don't mind, but something needed to be done to bring them into alignment. I am going to also re-edit Disctronics Limited (it will be updated again soon).

The biggest problem will be with Disctronics, UK.
I will draft the edit for this in http://discogs.descargarpelis.net/forum/thread/413800#3832073 and people can have a discussion about the way forward.

Hope these edits haven't broken any Discogs protocols?
Cheers

recently created https://discogs.descargarpelis.net/forum/thread/719125

Probably part of the EMI list